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Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.09.30 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: AMARR DESTROYER: brawling dessi with good tank high damage but low capacitor with fast recharge makeing the Coercer the long range boat and this one for short range and not completely obsoleting the sentinel also ewar bonuses have nothing to do on a destroyer anyway Ship bonuses: +5% bonus to armor resistance per level. +5% bonus to Small Energy Turret rate of fire per level Role bonus: +50% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level Slot layout: 7 H(+1), 2 M, 4 L, 7(+4) turrets Fittings: 80(+25) PWG, 160(+10) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 750 / 950 / 850 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550(-50) / 250s(-120) / 2.2s(+0,58) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 245+(10) / 2.75 / 1700000 / 4.71s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0(-25 /75) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km(-9) / 525 / 6 Sensor strength: 10 radar Signature radius: 66 Cargo capacity: 300 CALDARI DESTROYER: good damage projection and tank but slower and not crazy amounts of dps like it would have with the damage bonus remember that light missiles are getting a 10% damage buff this winter too Ship bonuses: +5% bonus to shield resistances per level +10% to rocket and light missile explosion velocity per level Role bonus: +50% to rocket and light missile velocity Slot layout: 8 H, 3 M, 2 L, 8 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG, 210 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 950 / 750 / 750 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 500 / 320s / 1.56s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(-10) / 2.5 / 1900000 / 4.89s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 45km / 475 / 7 Sensor strength: 12 gravimetric Signature radius: 69 Cargo capacity: 450 GALLENTE DESTROYER: full drone boat with enough cpu and slots to even fit drone upgrade modules Ship bonuses: +10% to drone damage and HP per level +10m3 Drone Bay Capacity per level Role bonus: +50% small done tracking per level Slot layout: 5 H(-1), 4 M(+1),3 L, 4 turrets Fittings: 50 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 800 / 850 / 950 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550 / 350s / 1.57s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 2.45 / 1800000 / 4.46s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 50 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 42km / 500 / 7 Sensor strength: 11 magnetometric Signature radius: 72 Cargo capacity: 350 MINMATAR DESTROYER: low sig dessie without being forced to fit a mwd to get its bonus Ship bonuses: +5% to rocket and light missile explosion damage per level -5% signature radius per level Role bonus: +50% to rocket and light missile velocity Slot layout: 7 H, 3 M, 3 L, 7 launchers Fittings: 48 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 850 / 800 / 800 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 450 / 290s / 1.55s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 255 / 2.89 / 1600000 / 4.64s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 36km / 550 / 6 Sensor strength: 9 ladar Signature radius:70(+10) Cargo capacity: 400 these changes would give of them a distinct roll leaves full choice of fitting, make no other ships obsolete and make them different enough from the other destroyers the general flavor being more survivability but slower in general and also adding a opposite in therms of intended roll for gallente more survivability means to be able to kill quicker and better
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.10.01 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote Luc Chastot wrote: I think one of the greatest problems of the new Gallente destroyer is that you can only achieve decent dps after dedicating the greater part of 1 year to training for both drones and hybrids. This would not be a problem if it were, say, a carrier, but considering it's a small ship, you are punishing new players who want to use it. This is also one of the reasons I'm opposed to split weapon systems. It seems that people who really like drones are forced to train for considerably longer periods to achieve the same results of someone who only trains turrets and flies a dedicated turret ship. exactly! thats why in post #378 I made it a full out drone boat with enough cpu to actually fit some drone upgreades
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.10.03 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: AMARR DESTROYER: a nobb would probably be confused and skill wrongly and end up being excluded from most of the amarr lineup its bad to give noobs such a complex ship so early on and make them train 3 weapon systems and ewar away with the mini arbie abomination! ewar bonuses have nothing to do on a destroyer anyway it lies in the name, destroyer says nothing about neuts mini omen with good tank high damage but low capacitor with fast recharge makeing the Coercer the long range boat and this one short range and not completely obsoleting the sentinel Ship bonuses: +5% bonus to armor resistance per level. +5% bonus to Small Energy Turret rate of fire per level Role bonus: +50% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level Slot layout: 7 H(+1), 2 M, 4 L, 7(+4) turrets Fittings: 80(+25) PWG, 160(+10) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 750 / 950 / 850 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550(-50) / 250s(-120) / 2.2s(+0,58) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 245+(10) / 2.75 / 1700000 / 4.71s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0(-25 /75) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km(-9) / 525 / 6 Sensor strength: 10 radar Signature radius: 66 Cargo capacity: 300 CALDARI DESTROYER: allright CCP Ytterbium won me over this looks a lot better now nothing I would change here Ship bonuses: +5% to rocket and light missile kinetic damage per level +10% to rocket and light missile explosion velocity per level Role bonus: +50% to rocket and light missile velocity Slot layout: 7 H, 4 M, 2 L, 7 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG, 210 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 950 / 750 / 750 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 500 / 320s / 1.56s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250 / 2.5 / 1900000 / 4.89s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 45km / 475 / 7 Sensor strength: 12 gravimetric Signature radius: 69 Cargo capacity: 450 GALLENTE DESTROYER: same as with the amarr one to a lesser degree since there are a lot more drone boats in the gallente lineup skilling full-on drones at the start will not hurt a new player since there is a drone cruiser and a drone hac and a drone BC and also a drone BS to look out for full drone boat with enough cpu and slots to even fit drone upgrade modules an lots of flexibility due to 50 bandwith and with the bonuses to tracking even a flight of valks will be good enough to hit frigates before you scream op think about the time it takes a frigate to kill those 5 med drones: not long at all since they are easier to hit Ship bonuses: +10% to drone damage and HP per level +10% to drone speed per level Role bonus: +50% small done tracking per level Slot layout: 5 H(-1), 4 M(+1), 3 L, 5(+1) turrets Fittings: 55 PWG, 200 CPU(+50) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 800 / 850 / 950 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550 / 350s / 1.57s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 2.45 / 1800000 / 4.46s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 100 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 42km / 500 / 7 Sensor strength: 11 magnetometric Signature radius: 72 Cargo capacity: 350 MINMATAR DESTROYER: low sig dessie without being forced to fit a mwd to get its bonus mwd bonus for a brawling ship that only uses its mwd to get in range is a waste anyway Ship bonuses: +5% to rocket and light missile explosion damage per level -5% signature radius per level Role bonus: +50% to rocket and light missile velocity Slot layout: 7 H, 3 M, 3 L, 7 launchers Fittings: 48 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 850 / 800 / 800 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 450 / 290s / 1.55s Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 255 / 2.89 / 1600000 / 4.64s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 36km / 550 / 6 Sensor strength: 9 ladar Signature radius:60 Cargo capacity: 400 these changes would give of them a distinct roll leaves full choice of fitting, make no other ships obsolete and make them different enough from the other destroyers the general flavor being more survivability but slower in general and also adding a opposite in therms of intended roll in case of the amarr one long / short range for gallente more survivability means to be able to kill quicker and better with those stats it would then look like this amarr would have a short range tanky brawler with good tracking and a long range fast sniper caldari would have a long range well tanked missile bombardment ship and a long to medium range fast rail boat gallente would have a long range drone hive ship and a short range blaster brawler minmatar would have a short range low sig rocket brawler and a long range arty sniper Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.10.03 20:40:00 - [4] - Quote Khaim Khal wrote: Newer players in particular are unlikely to notice that this hull has a shorter recharge time than its class/race would otherwise indicate. It takes time to dig into the stats of every ship enough to notice details like this, and if you wait around for players to gain that much experience, you're not going to grow the player base much. just gotta mention good cap recharge in the ship description and even new players will get it Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.10.05 00:23:00 - [5] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: I'm of the mind that we should get these on a test server and kick the tires. the sooner the better! and nobody is gonna care if one or two of them have no textures didn't matter with the tier 3 desies either I would not even mind flying a pod with those stats =P also the sooner we get to test stuff the better the outcome will be =) Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 18	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:32:00 - [6] - Quote tl:dr Aaldari:all misiles and no fitting Gallente:drone boat sucks at drones Minmatar:range is all I got Amarr:I suck at sucking Caldari: it has very good alpha and with the buffed precision ammo and its bonus to expvel it does an exceptional job at killing ceptors the fitting is very tight even with the buffed LMLs it has not enough pg to fit a mwd yet alone much of a tank fitting 7lmls leaves you with only 12pg and 136cpu its speed is the same as the cormorant which makes it slower then any of the assault ships I suggest giving it a significant boost in pg to around 70 which would enable it to fit a suitable tank and a mwd to make use of its long range missiles Amarr: suffers greatly from its focus on neuts as a destroyer since most small ship guns/webs/scrams use very little cap even with two neuts it fails to stop an enyo from shooting its guns most of the time, and a good pilot with a web an scram might even be able to pull away from a scram mwd fitted A-DSTII since its base speed is very low and it has no space for a web itself on top of that it also lacks space for a cap booster making it reliant on a nos for cap which doesn't work since its base cap is higher then most frigs its dps is quite low due to only few not bonused guns or launchers leaving it only with a flight of although bonused light drones doing overall about 220dps its tank is good at 10k with 200mmII dcu ANPIIx2 3Small trimarks power grid is good and gives it enough fitting variety due to the aforementioned facts I think the idea of a neut destroyer doesn't work and thus I suggest to remove its neut bonus and drones and give it 6-7 lasers or launcher hardpoints an a rof bonus a tracking bonus and a hp bonus and a 7 3 3 or 6 3 4 layout if for some reason the neuts have to be kept I suggest giving it 4 midslots by removing 2 of its highs and giving it a neut cycle time bonus instead of the drone mwd bonus (warning: doing this would make the sentinel look pretty bad) Minmatar:this one is just worse then the thrasher its slower it does way less dps its tank is comparable armor fit but much worse shield tanked since it lacks the grid to fit a MSE together with a mwd like the thrasher can during some testing I found the bonus to mwd signature bloom reduction is rather unfit for rocket fits since rockets are a "in scram range weapon" also it heavily discourages afterburner fits I suggest increasing its power grid to 70 making it the same as the thrasher and changing its mwd bonus to something else (random idea) like 10-20% propulsion module mass increase reduction per level, this would benefit both types of modules and thus also work in scram range) obvious choice would be a rof bonus but that would make it quite silly, maybe with only 6 launchers it would be ok Gallente:gimped gunship tank is good so is its fitting (at least for gun setup) and thus its better to fit it with guns , but the catalyst is way better at being a gunboat! since we already have the catalyst I would suggest making it a 90% pure drone boat moving 2 of its highs to a low and a medium and increasing its cpu to 200 to make space for drone upgrades then splitting the done ehp/dmg bonus increasing the hp bonus to a number that lets them take more then just 2hits from frigates (mediums take about 3 since they are bigger) (I would suggest at least 30% per level ) changing the "+10% damage per level" to "+10% to all drone offensive stats per level"(damage tracking optimal and falloff)to compensate the overshooting of small drones and to make medium drones effective against frigates and finally increasing its bandwidth to 50mb and its drone bay to 100, the 300dps that this destroyer could do right now if it would fit 3 DDAs are just not enough for a weapon that has so much travel time and can be destroyed +10% to all drone offensive stats per level (damage tracking optimal and falloff) +30% to drone durability per level role bonus: +25% to drone mwd speed Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 20	Posted - 2012.10.25 23:40:00 - [7] - Quote Kuehnelt wrote: With cap recharge rigs it can permarun two neuts and still get 9k EHP from meta 200mm plate, T2 DCU, T2 ANP2. Switch to an AB and it's better in that situation, but, eh, Amarr Problems (tm). yes it can but 2 neuts are not enugh to stop a neutron mwd enyo from shooting or pulling away using its web and scram ab fit its so slow it could even be kited by an enyo in scram range Kuehnelt wrote:* One of two outcomes: 1. The Coercer is obsolete, and this ship is boring. 2. This ship is instantly obsolete, and this ship is boring. I, for one, welcome our coming NotMalice overlords. 1. the coercer has much more range it can run its guns of cap and has more fitting space etc 2.why? I do very much think that there is a place for a more tanky destroyer tho giving it a resist bonus is probably the better idea Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 20	Posted - 2012.10.28 16:36:00 - [8] - Quote the only way I can see the drone destroyers doing good at this point is either a revamp of the way drones fly against fast ships or a range, tracking and normal-speed buff as a ship bonus or drones in general Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit 21	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:04:00 - [9] - Quote I've been trying to fly frigates as much as possible I guess just convo me if im on Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.

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